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[personal profile] carmen_lj
Margaret Thatcher's dead. My Twitter feed is being pretty restrained, I think, which is nice. I ain't mourning her passing, she hurt so many people, she paved the way for the hurt so many people are suffering today as the poor continue to be demonised, but I can't celebrate anybody's death.

This is what I'll remember her for:

- Poll tax. Which formed the first political opinion I'm aware of having. I knew it was A Bad Thing, but didn't really understand why (I was very wee.)

- Milk-snatching.

- Sinking the Belgrano while it was retreating.

- Attacks on the unions, aka the people protecting workers' rights.

- 'Thatcherism' aka mass privatisation, financial deregulation, reducing income tax while increasing ones which would disproportionately affect those on lower incomes, aka fucking over the country, especially the working class.

As legacies ago, it's pretty shit.

Date: 2013-04-08 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reapermum.livejournal.com
Hurrah for the milk snatching, you didn't spend years of your life being forced to drink 1/3pint of luke warm, slightly off milk every school day.

Date: 2013-04-08 03:44 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (river; unicorns and rainbows)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
BUT MY POOR BONES LACK CALCIUM NOW. Probably. I have no idea. Rly I should be on her side for that cause I hate milk, and yet.

Date: 2013-04-08 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reapermum.livejournal.com
There was no storage for the milk at my school. So in winter it was put on the radiators to thaw, so it was luke warm and going off by the time we had to drink it. In summer there was no where to keep it cool, so once again warm and going off. And you weren't allowed to miss drinking it because it was good for us. Those of us who lived through that all cheered when milk vanished from schools.

Date: 2013-04-08 04:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
That is quite perfectly horrid, yes. Ick. :(

Date: 2013-04-08 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peeeeeeet.livejournal.com
+ Clause 28.

ISTR reading somewhere that she actually spoke against taking away free school milk according to the cabinet minutes, but was bound to publicly support the policy due to collective cabinet responsibility. But "milk snatcher" is too good a nickname so it may as well stick.

Date: 2013-04-08 04:59 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (river; unicorns and rainbows)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Yeah, I don't want to give up the cheap name-calling.

S28's not so stamped on my memory, but it's def a part of her smashing legacy that shouldn't be forgotten.

Date: 2013-04-08 08:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sabotabby
Some of the earliest memories I have involve the shit she was doing across the pond. It was her, Reagan, and Mulroney forming an unholy trifecta of early political consciousness.

Ah. One to go.

Date: 2013-04-08 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com
...I don't know of this Mulroney. Should I, or would it just hurt?

Date: 2013-04-08 09:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sabotabby
Canadian Prime Minister around the same time who introduced neoliberal policies here. He was small potatoes compared to both the others and the kitten-eater we have running the country at the moment, but nevertheless one of the Great Satans of my early childhood.

Date: 2013-04-09 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com
*researches* ...man, that guy was...um, kind of incompetent, eh?

My brain fundamentally runs screaming from the word "privatization."

At least he wasn't all...yay apartheid and contras?

Date: 2013-04-09 05:49 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (river; unicorns and rainbows)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
See, my views of Reagan are just...blank. I KNOW NOTHING. Other than he was an actor and Thatcher liked him. I should probs read up at some point.

Date: 2013-04-10 12:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
I KNOW HE'S A BAD UN. I just couldn't tell you why beyond "right-wing in the US."

Date: 2013-04-13 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com
I just...I want you to look at his foreign policy legacy.

And his actions as governor of California.

...and his involvement in the blacklist.

And that bastard Edwin Meese.

I'll be here to hold you when you're done.
Edited Date: 2013-04-13 04:02 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-04-09 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wwhyte.livejournal.com
I'm kind of not bothered by the Belgrano thing. War's war.

Date: 2013-04-09 05:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
No, it's not. There are numerous inexcusable, illegal and/or unjust things one party can do to another even while in a state of open war. That's why we have stuff like the Geneva Convention, the International Criminal Court, and so on. While I don't think sinking a retreating ship and killing the crew is a crime we'll ever see come to the Hague's court, I would prefer a world where it did.

Date: 2013-04-10 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com
Even within war, there's still such a thing as war crimes.

Date: 2013-04-09 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dqbunny.livejournal.com
My husband picked me up, twirled me around, then danced around the apartment. He was so happy. He was telling me about her policies and how they affected Liverpool and hurt so many people. Here in the US, we grew up just knowing she was a woman and a friend of Reagan's.

Date: 2013-04-09 04:29 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (river; unicorns and rainbows)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
I can't be cheerful about it, but I do understand it. She did a heck of a lot of damage, and it's still with us.

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