Jo grows and learns from her experiences, Rose seems to at first and then it becomes less about The Universe and more about The Doctor
To the point the decision to leave The Doctor was taken entirely out of her hands. They make her let go because she couldn't make that decision herself. She was incapable of it. Which is the saddest thing to me. She had no perspective when it came to The Doctor. As I see things, Pete saved her from The Void, but I also saw The Void as a metaphor for that notion of "forever". There was apparently no place in Rose that could see the not-so-shiny side of that notion. Like she's willingly lined up for the concrete slab metamorphesis. She hasn't even considered it as a negative - something someone might not want even for the sake of Teh Great Love - because The Doctor will Find A Way. However, there was also Sarah Jane, Reinette, Ursula either nostalgic, longing for (or actually facing) the "forever". Of the three of them, Sarah Jane had the happiest ending (she realized the need for everything ending and she walked away of her own volition. She had perspective). If you're expecting The Doctor to help you there, it's not always a guarantee. I'd like to think he would have spared Rose that fate, somehow, at least (he sent her away first in "Doomsday", but then couldn't do it a second time)... but he also had a habit of indulging her. There is that danger of him willingly making you a concrete slab... unless you say no or he's impeded somehow (in Rose's case, by dimension-hopping Alt!Pete).
Although I actually thought Rose had progression (not unlike Jo's) in S1, but discussing Rose S1 vs S2 with a friend... we almost see Rose as regressing, almost unnaturally, post-POTW. Friend believes The Doctor did something to Rose in POTW after removing the Time Vortex. Almost like he reset her or something. Not sure if there's anything to it, but considering the differences between S1 and S2 Rose, I could buy it. Almost like she got beyond anything anyone could ever go (the Bad Wolf goddess. Like seeing Cupid's face and eventually raising to Olympus... after Venus' trials anyway), so there was no place for her to go but back to the beginning, but the second time around there was no Olympus. Thus Rose had her own sort of regen (or reincarnation), but in a way that regained / recreated that childish naivete or innocence (after facing the immense burden of knowledge of Bad Wolf) but with a different (tragic) end ... including Veruca Salt tendencies of an only child. Yet after his regen, The Doctor is still The Doctor... more manic and a prettier, younger face (that pretty, shiny red apple... or a prettier one anyway and all the more tempting), but all the older and less merciful (I wonder if The Doctor even knows the full extent of how unmerciful he could be? Or when he tries to bring mercy, he brings misery instead... because I just don't see what he did to Ursula - and through her, Warren - as an act of mercy).
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Date: 2006-08-11 09:29 pm (UTC)To the point the decision to leave The Doctor was taken entirely out of her hands. They make her let go because she couldn't make that decision herself. She was incapable of it. Which is the saddest thing to me. She had no perspective when it came to The Doctor. As I see things, Pete saved her from The Void, but I also saw The Void as a metaphor for that notion of "forever". There was apparently no place in Rose that could see the not-so-shiny side of that notion. Like she's willingly lined up for the concrete slab metamorphesis. She hasn't even considered it as a negative - something someone might not want even for the sake of Teh Great Love - because The Doctor will Find A Way. However, there was also Sarah Jane, Reinette, Ursula either nostalgic, longing for (or actually facing) the "forever". Of the three of them, Sarah Jane had the happiest ending (she realized the need for everything ending and she walked away of her own volition. She had perspective). If you're expecting The Doctor to help you there, it's not always a guarantee. I'd like to think he would have spared Rose that fate, somehow, at least (he sent her away first in "Doomsday", but then couldn't do it a second time)... but he also had a habit of indulging her. There is that danger of him willingly making you a concrete slab... unless you say no or he's impeded somehow (in Rose's case, by dimension-hopping Alt!Pete).
Although I actually thought Rose had progression (not unlike Jo's) in S1, but discussing Rose S1 vs S2 with a friend... we almost see Rose as regressing, almost unnaturally, post-POTW. Friend believes The Doctor did something to Rose in POTW after removing the Time Vortex. Almost like he reset her or something. Not sure if there's anything to it, but considering the differences between S1 and S2 Rose, I could buy it. Almost like she got beyond anything anyone could ever go (the Bad Wolf goddess. Like seeing Cupid's face and eventually raising to Olympus... after Venus' trials anyway), so there was no place for her to go but back to the beginning, but the second time around there was no Olympus. Thus Rose had her own sort of regen (or reincarnation), but in a way that regained / recreated that childish naivete or innocence (after facing the immense burden of knowledge of Bad Wolf) but with a different (tragic) end ... including Veruca Salt tendencies of an only child. Yet after his regen, The Doctor is still The Doctor... more manic and a prettier, younger face (that pretty, shiny red apple... or a prettier one anyway and all the more tempting), but all the older and less merciful (I wonder if The Doctor even knows the full extent of how unmerciful he could be? Or when he tries to bring mercy, he brings misery instead... because I just don't see what he did to Ursula - and through her, Warren - as an act of mercy).