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carmen_lj ([personal profile] carmen_lj) wrote2010-06-01 07:35 pm
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Women of the Whoniverse

One thing (amongst admittedly, Quite A Lot) that I'm loving about season five of New Who is the number and variety of older female characters. In nine episodes they've managed to drop the horrid stereotype of the Nagging Mother and Sexuality In Older Women Is Just For Laughs, and given us five very different characters who're female and over forty: three are people of colour, one (probably) died, one is a villain, two are flawed people trying to do better, one has her version of The Companion Story in two episodes, three clearly express their sexuality without being mocked for it and four are, for me, pretty damn awesome, and here is why:

The weakest of the bunch is Dr Ramsden. Alas, she is plot fodder, and probably dies. She was a snappy professional who never learned that Rory was right about some weird stuff going down in her hospital.

Liz Ten is Instant Awesome: she's confident, forthright, wears fantastic clothes and shoots stuff. She's clever, sneaky, determined, cares about her people and distrusts her own government. But the danger of A Strong Woman caricature is avoided because the whole mess is her fault in the first place - and she continued to endorse it throughout her reign - as she put what she considered to be her duty before her conscience.

River Song, still my favourite of the lot (just), manages to become even more interesting and enigmatic over her two episodes. We know she's been imprisoned for killing a man, and that she's working to earn her release, not just for her freedom but for her redemption too, since we see her expressing genuine regret for her actions. She can pilot a TARDIS, understands High Gallifreyan, and the timey-wimey nature of stuff sufficently to get the Doctor to pick her up after she's shot herself out an airlock into the slightly deadly vacuum of space. She snarks, she's self-assured and she bickers marvellously with the Doctor while, with Amy, we see her exhibiting a maternal streak.

Rosanna's a fantastic antagonist with a sensible (ish...this is Doctor Who after all), modest plan for saving her race. She just wants one little city and, while a lot of people are going to die, her motives are perfectly understandable. She's patient, a trait often lacking in Who villains, cunning and has awesome chemistry with the Doctor. She's a mother, who loves her son perhaps a little too much and she also gets the best clothes.

Nasreen's just brilliant. She gets everything awesome about being a companion compressed down into two episodes and it is great. She has a job, and a dream. Thanks to the Doctor her job is blown up but her dream opens up into an even bigger reality. She's determined and curious enough to convince the Doctor to take her underground, delights in the TARDIS and finds a rapport with the Doctor. She sees more amazing things under the earth than she could have imagined and acts as the first human ambassador to the reptiles. Having seen the Wonders of the Universe (or just how awesome it really is beneath the earth) and found love, she can't just go back to ordinary life, so stays with her dude so she can wake up in a thousand years time and continue her awesome adventures.

So, yes, five very different women, four excellent characters, and definitely a trend I want to see continue.
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[personal profile] tree_and_leaf 2010-06-01 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
"Cold Blood" made me very cross, but this season has been pretty win over all (and even Cold Blood had Nasreen being awesome), so thanks for reminding me that there's lots to be happy about!

[identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing that impressed me about Liz X was her not hesitating to take responsibility for problems that she sincerely had no memory of causing.
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[personal profile] such_heights 2010-06-01 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes yes yes, exactly. <3

[identity profile] biichan.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, this.

[identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
River is an awesome, awesome lady, Liz' commitment to her people was very winning for me right off the bat even though ultimately I can't really reconcile that part of her with the part that did...you know (out of plot holes or otherwise), and Rosanna is just...GAAAAH. Oh, I loved her. Her motivation and her logic and how she was more driven to extremes than purely thoughtless, and how much love was apparent in her. And Nasreen is lovely for being a nice mix of professional smart lady but not losing her wide-eyed spunk and, like you said, it's cool that "not finding herself able to go back to ordinary life" was done in a non-pathetic fashion.

[identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes, yes. I especially love Nasreen and Liz Ten, for obvious reasons, but dammit, they're brown ladies and they're so awesome.
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[personal profile] elisi 2010-06-01 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I love this post!

And not only are these women brilliant, the Doctor has unmistakable chemistry with/interest in them all (excepting Dr Ramsden, of course). :)

(I must also point out my love for Harriet Jones and Adelaide Brook, since they were awesome too!)

[identity profile] cidercupcakes.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved Nasreen so much and I kept cringing and waiting for them to kill her or make her into a villain...and then they didn't and it was wonderful! I am just reduced to such ridiculous flailing love whenever I think of her. &flails;

[personal profile] fannishnonsense 2010-06-01 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I approve of this post v. much!

[identity profile] brokenangelred.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Nasreen is amazing, I really liked her, I was so happy when she went with the Doctor and how she argued on behalf of earth. I would love to see her again. Rosanna was a good villain of the week I enjoyed that story a lot, second favourite of the new series.

I'm have to say I'm not a fan of River. I think that the character has potential depending on what her back story turns out to be but as it is I find her grading. Specificity the parking break joke irks me, I feel like they ripped a hole in the canon for a cheep one liner.

But on the whole, yes a lot of great ladies in the who-niverse this round. Nyssa and Donna still own time shares on my heart though.

[identity profile] pontisbright.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes yes yes. I think what's particularly striking is that pretty much EVERYONE assumed Nasreen would be toast in Pt II, and then she got to carry on being completely amazing and fabulous instead. Hooray!

[identity profile] arefadedaway.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, yes.
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[identity profile] carawj.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
♥♥♥ this post!
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It's been making me ridiculously happy, the season. There were some aspects of Cold Blood that I was Unthrilled by ("oh these irrational wummins ruining our chance for peace!") but I was expecting it to be All Fail in that department, and instead we got Nasreen and Amy resucing herself with cunning pick-pocketing skills.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! Her bravery is both physical and moral!
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I LOVE MA SHOW.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It is a Very High Hit Rate that is most pleasing, yes.

it's cool that "not finding herself able to go back to ordinary life" was done in a non-pathetic fashion.

I suspect her keeping her agency was a Big Help there.
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[personal profile] nonelvis 2010-06-01 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I approve of this post very, very much.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Nasreen gets such a fantastic storyline it makes me grin just thinking about it now.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I loved them too, but they were part of a pattern I hated: women with power either losing that power or dying.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I fully expected her to end up dead and, lo, when I thought "oh, she's safe, brilliant! They can't kill now" she said she was staying and for an instant I thought, "omg she's going to stay and die with the man she loves, what is this?" but no she's going to have Adventures in the Future with her dude. ::flaily hands::
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like they ripped a hole in the canon for a cheep one liner.

Or she fibbed! She found out where the button was that turned off the sound and lied about what it was to annoy the Doctor for laughs. It is my line and I'm sticking to it.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Chibnall got Less Awful! It is an Amazing Plot Twist!
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[personal profile] tree_and_leaf 2010-06-01 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe my mistake was expecting too much from a Chibnall episode... but seriously, it's so nice that even an episode I found problematic in lots of ways also had some brilliant bits, and that says something about the season as a whole.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
My shock at Nasreen not only surviving but having an awesome ending made up for a lot. I was expecting less.

Also, I'm very easy for old skool shout-outs and the whole thing was Yay!PertweeEra.

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