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carmen_lj ([personal profile] carmen_lj) wrote2007-06-22 06:43 am

Completely Random Thing About Utopia

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I think what makes me find the Ten/Jack ship endearing, more than anything else, is the fact that Ten calls him "Jack." Several times. Nine didn't do that. It makes me want them to hug lots more. Because I'm nauseatingly sentimental sometimes.

That isn't to say that I wouldn't be perfectly happy if all the fic ever written about the finale was purely concerned with Saxon. Because I would.

Also, any blonde woman guest-starring in New Who has nothing to do with Rose. They are all there because of Polly. Always. Because Polly was first and blonde and wore more mascara than Rose. And she bet Cybermen and redcoats and had Mad Plans that generally worked, thus making her very much like the Doctor. And sometimes people randomly fell in love with her, just like the Doctor. This means that if you have watched New Who and fail to realise it is actually all about Polly you are both Wrong and Interrogating The Text From The Wrong Perspective. But I can understand that you might have mistaken the Polly!symbolism for Romana!symbolism, because the Doctor did love her best.

And, incidentally, I can't be arsed doing tags on [livejournal.com profile] dwicons today. Because I read post after post about how Martha was stealing Rose's moments in reviews of season three, or some guff like that, and now there are icons that have photoshopped Rose into Martha's place in the promo shots. Oh the irony. It would burn if I didn't find it so insanely tiresome.

Also, there was character-bashing this week. That was unamusing. There's a reason I refuse on principle to put No Character Bashing in the rules. And it's because it falls into the same category as 'no trolling' and 'no flaming' and 'no slagging off The Time Monster,' in that they're bloody stupid things to do that are obviously going to piss any half-sensible person off.

And for god's sake don't ask me why I'm not okay with character-bashing.

Happily, I am v glad that Rusty has seen fit to match my OTP slash pairing with an easily shippable het-pairing. Well done Rusty. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, there are pictures on the BBC Doctor Who site that explain, yes.

[identity profile] kesomon.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
*petpet* Only 1 day, 11 hours and 50-ish minutes to go until The Sound of Drums. Just keep repeating that in your head and everything will remain shiny despite the farts who are bashing characters.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm kind of okay with it when it's not being posted to my oh-so-precious comms, cause then, at least, I've got to go looking for it.

I WANT SIMM!MASTER NOW PLS.

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[personal profile] fannishnonsense 2007-06-22 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
There are icons that have what now? That's seriously stupid. Also, I've recently decided to only read the reviews that show up on my flist. Much less frustration that way.

I haven't seen enough of Polly, but she is definitely awesome. The Doctor loved Jamie the best though.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
Meh. It'd be fine in isolation, it's the combo of stuff that's made me go *flail.*

Polly is quite brilliant. Y'know how (possibly you don't, but it's true) Ian and Babs leave the TARDIS and you're all "Oh, god, how will Who ever be good again?" and you sort of like Steven and Vicki and it's nice that they tease each other and The Time Meddler is obviously great and then you have Sara Kingdom for a few months and that keeps you watching before Dodo shows up and you're convinced it's finally really the end? Well, then Polly arrives, and you suddenly realise, even before The Trought appears, that, yes, everything is going to be okay.

[identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
I've given up on assuming fandom as a whole has even a fraction of intelligence after having to delete an icon post with Martha-bashing icons. From [livejournal.com profile] lifeonmartha.

'Cos there's stupid, and then there's "People don't actually do that, do they?"
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
I've had two idiots in four-ish years at the icon comm, which isn't too bad really. So I still have ma faith, yes.

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[identity profile] padawanpooh.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
Ah yes...the bashing has been BAD this week *sniff* I got told off for saying I liked both Martha and Rose(?!?!!?!)

*starts looking for some new comms to join*

[identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
You got told off for saying that? Seriously?

I want to know where this was, so I can avoid that comm/person/whatever.

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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
So do I. Admittedly, I like one a lot more than I like the other. But, heh, I like Liz Shaw a heck of a lot more than I like Mel and no Mel fen ever accused me of Mel-bashing.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
I got told off for saying I liked both Martha and Rose(?!?!!?!)

The what now? Oh, my brain hurts. Because in all the dozens of companions, There Can Be Only One? This ain't Highlander fandom!

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[identity profile] padawanpooh.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
It was Oh_she_knows which *looked* like a good Comm. I had a very nice and thoughtful email from the mod (who I really like and is on my flist), who was only doing her job, but the fact I said I liked both and belonged to shipper comms for both didn't go down well with some members.

I'm staying on until the ficathon I took part in but then I'll probably quietly leave.

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[identity profile] chicafrom3.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
and now there are icons that have photoshopped Rose into Martha's place in the promo shots.

*flails* I HAVE SEEN THOSE. And I sort of appreciate them in a not-really sort of way because when I see one I know automatically that I don't want to read the post it's attached to and I just skip right over it.

Also, any blonde woman guest-starring in New Who has nothing to do with Rose. They are all there because of Polly. Always.
Obviously. And all brunette women, at all, are there because of Barbara.
This actually explains Romana. She starts out as a brunette, which reminds the Doctor of Barbara so he treats her as an intelligent, capable woman. Then she regenerates into a cute blonde, who reminds him of Polly and they have Mad Plans together that Generally Work.

I would develop this theory more but it's 3 in the morning here and I have not slept properly in...a long time.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
Obviously. And all brunette women, at all, are there because of Barbara.
This actually explains Romana. She starts out as a brunette, which reminds the Doctor of Barbara so he treats her as an intelligent, capable woman. Then she regenerates into a cute blonde, who reminds him of Polly and they have Mad Plans together that Generally Work.


Yes, excellent! And since the ginger stuff is obv ref to Prof. Shaw, New Who is actually all about my favourite companions. Yes! I win at...something.

[identity profile] shannonsequitur.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
THIS IS ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT. Well, no, because the terrible quality and the fact that I should have been in bed hours ago are my own fault.

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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 07:54 am (UTC)(link)
OMG I GET BLAMED FOR GOOD THINGS. WHERE IS THE ACCOMPANYING TELLY SERIES OF GENIUS WHICH I ASSUME YOU HAVE ALSO CREATED, YES?

And now I'm all hypocritical. Sort of. At least I haven't said that all the Doctor's moments are really about Romana all series. Even though they obviously are.

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[identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
...and now there are icons that have photoshopped Rose into Martha's place in the promo shots

PLEASE SHOW ME THESE ICONS. I desperately want to see them.

Erm, if I write fic where Five goes into E-space after "Earthshock" to tell Romana that he killed their surrogate son, and then they do sex because they're SO DAMN PRETTY, will I be oppressing Tegan and Nyssa?

Because seriously, that's the problem I keep coming back to. That TARDIS is crowded enough.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
Erm, if I write fic where Five goes into E-space after "Earthshock" to tell Romana that he killed their surrogate son, and then they do sex because they're SO DAMN PRETTY, will I be oppressing Tegan and Nyssa?


Only if Tegan and Nyssa do not get to be all slashy with each other. They shared a room and everything.

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[identity profile] malaleen.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
What gets me is that people are requesting these photoshops, which I suppose considering who'd use them, shouldn't surprise me in the least.

I'm sick of character bashing myself. And I'm sick of seeing a certain character being talked about more than characters currently appearing on the series.

I also want more pr0n written. Is that too much to ask?
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
In isolation, I wouldn't care about the photoshops. It's the combo of overt!bashing, the fact it's an erasure of one character to replace another (unlike, say Ten/Romana icons what are matching screencaps together) having a not-too-subtle symbolism and all the stealing Rose moments nonsense in some sort of orchestral symphony of tiresomeness.

And, yeah, I could not read reviews if I was really desperate to avoid that stuff, but the other two things are people doing annoying things in my bleedin comm. OH I AM SO HORRIBLY PRECIOUS ABOUT IT. I don't care. It's all beautifully tagged.

Ah, there's been a couple of awesome Master!pr0n fics and all they did was make me want SO MUCH MORE. So, yah, apparently it is. Bad form, fandom.

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[identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
"...and now there are icons that have photoshopped Rose into Martha's place in the promo shots."

That is too funny. Maybe next season when they still haven't brought her back and that lot is STILL watching and whining and complaining and Martha-or-whoever-bashing and just won't take their lost marbles and leave the fandom, they can just tape a big picture of Billie Piper to the TV screen and be done with it?

"Happily, I am v glad that Rusty has seen fit to match my OTP slash pairing with an easily shippable het-pairing."

As I said in my own journal, it's like an extra present under the tree. Especially when you've preemptively decided that "Lucy Saxon" is actually a chameleon-arched Romana and she still has no idea who she really is or who she's gone and married.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially when you've preemptively decided that "Lucy Saxon" is actually a chameleon-arched Romana and she still has no idea who she really is or who she's gone and married.

Why are you not writing this fic already? WHY?

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[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
What the heck does "stealing Rose's moments" even mean?

I think it means that anything romantic, or even heartfelt, and possibly even passably friendly must always happen between the Doctor and Rose, and any other woman who's getting that is a skankho who is grabbing for herself what should be kept sacred to Rose.
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[identity profile] stickmarionette.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
there are icons that have photoshopped Rose into Martha's place in the promo shots.
You know what's even more hilarious and sad? 1) the graphics with the Ten/Martha kiss photoshopped into a Ten/Rose one and 2) the graphics with the John Smith/Joan wedding scene photoshopped into a Ten/Rose one.

I just...what.
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[personal profile] tellitslant 2007-06-22 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
icons that have photoshopped Rose into Martha's place in the promo shots
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oh the stupid, it burns.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
If only they'd done it with Polly...

[identity profile] arefadedaway.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
The only real ship that matters at this point is Saxon/anyone. Others are blind to fail in their duties to manip, wank, and write p0rn instantly. Preferably Saxon/Chameleon-arched Romana. Tut.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Go look at the thread that [livejournal.com profile] violotisblue and I have having on this post...

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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
....fandom stoops to newer lows. And I thought Lee's head photoshopped onto Anders' body was pathetic.

I, of course, am totally not one to talk.

[identity profile] wishfulaces.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, well, Polly is always going to be made of complete win. I want Ben'n'Polly fic rather desperately now.

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 09:56 am (UTC)(link)
The Time Monster rocks.

[identity profile] --kali--.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Polly has the best eyelashes in the whole 40+ years of Who.

(Anonymous) 2007-06-23 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, any blonde woman guest-starring in New Who has nothing to do with Rose. They are all there because of Polly. Always. Because Polly was first and blonde and wore more mascara than Rose. And she bet Cybermen and redcoats and had Mad Plans that generally worked, thus making her very much like the Doctor. And sometimes people randomly fell in love with her, just like the Doctor. This is so verra, verra true! Polly was awesome. She's so underrated sadly.