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I've never been very happy with the Doctor = Jesus comparison (if only because Martha = Jesus, the Son, Doctor = God, the Father, if you're going that way really) because it's casting the Doctor in a role that he's never really been in, and I sure as heck don't want to retcon him in my head into that role. He's the trickster-god, Loki, Seth, Odysseus (er, yeah, I know he's not actually a god, but he's very Doctor-like, yes.) Even if you're arguing a fundamental character change based on the Time War, he might see himself as the ultimate authority, but I'm not comfy with the text agreeing with that and I don't think it does.

The reason, with LotTL anyway, relies on looking at specifics rather than the general trend of events in the finale. Particularly the fact that in order for the Doctor to do the rising again and saving the world from Satan thing, he is reliant on the power of others. Jesus rose from the grave all by himself, who he was and the power he had was not a matter of the faith that others had in him. Their faith would save them, but Jesus was the Son of God no matter what anyone else believed and he would have risen on the third day whatever. He healed, and those whom he healed often only believed after he had healed them, not before. ("You're the Son of God, eh? Prove it.")

Now, the Doctor can do nothing himself, he's pretty much impotent from the moment he's aged. Who's got the power (for good) here? It's Martha, and those she can inspire. So rather than casting the piece as religious allegory, I'd rather go for a fairy-tale, where, for instance, the prince has been cursed (as, indeed, has the kingdom itself) by an evil wizard and it's up to the princess to rescue him and lead the kingdom's revolution. Or how about the Doctor as Merlin, cast into the ice caves by Morgaine, and only able to use his powers to defeat her once he's rescued by his apprentice who's learned enough of his arts (that would be saving the day) to free him.

And it's a thematic continuation of the last time Martha saved the world, in tSC, where she did it with a word, creating the spell that vanquished the evil. Here, she teaches another word, just as powerful, but the quest is infinitely more difficult. (Never mind the whole apprentice Doctor/medical student thing that fandom's been discussing since we knew about it.)

And if I hear one more time about her doing this because she loved the Doctor or some such nonsense, I'll... well, I'll huff a bit. Because, ffs, it's her planet, her people, her family, her friends and everything and everyone she's ever known, prior to TARDIS-adventuring. She couldn't possibly have another reason for trying to save it other than hoping for a quick shag with the Doctor afterwards.

I'm sure she loves the Doctor very much (and, certainly, by the end, when she's telling her story, I felt as though it was in a non-romantic sense, but rather she loved him as the mentor whose courage, intelligence, tenacity and skill had taught her and kept her going throughout her practically impossible quest to save the world with an utterly mad plan) but she's busy doing what the Doctor couldn't: she's saving her homeworld. And given how the entire series has been about how losing his planet and people affected the Doctor, and shows us just how close he comes to truly terrible things for the chance to get them back, you'd think it'd be obvious what was actually driving Martha on.

So, yeah, mostly I'm all for looking at the finale in terms of a heroic quest in classical mythology or a fairy-tale, rather than in terms of Christian theology, which, for me, doesn't work because of what forty years of Doctor Who stories have told me about who the Doctor is.

That was my thought.

Date: 2007-08-23 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
And thank you, too, for noting that Martha saved the world twice and not once--everyone always forgets about the end of "The Shakespeare Code." So of course, you'd rationally want to take a character like this and who has killer UST with the Doctor and shove her to the sidelines for aaahhhh forget it you know the drill.

Date: 2007-08-23 11:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Martha's arc is this:

Here is a person who can only help save half the planet (Smith & Jones), now we shall tell you the story of how she saved the world really easily (tSC), and then we shall show you everything she has to go through in order to be able to save the world under more tricky circumstances, thus demonstrating how Martha Jones > Everyone, 'part from babs.

Date: 2007-08-23 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
So, again, I can see where you'd totally want to get rid of a character like that in favor of a shouty mediocrity in a wedding dress okay I'll keep that to myself from now on, what could she possibly add to the show? Especially now that it's all apparently got to be FUN! FUN! FUN! from here on out, huzzah, she said flatly.

Date: 2007-08-24 12:02 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, I am eternally optimistic about beloved show, and am going to believe it will be Smashing until I have evidence to contrary, despite my adoration of Martha.

Date: 2007-08-24 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
I watch because of the relentless peer pressure. If all the Whovians suddenly start smoking and hanging around pool halls, Loki help me.

Date: 2007-08-24 12:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
I used to play pool quite a lot, y'know.

Date: 2007-08-24 12:27 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
It's quite fun really!

Date: 2007-08-24 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prof-pangaea.livejournal.com
everyone always forgets about the end of "The Shakespeare Code."

perhaps because of trying to forget the rest of it as well?

Date: 2007-08-24 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
Hey, I liked it. It was cheesy in a fun way. (Of course, I think the same of the "Guys and Daleks" two-parter and hated "Gridlock" so I'm probably hopeless.)

Date: 2007-08-24 11:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Aye, I liked it a lot more second time through when I knew how much cheese to expect.

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