carmen_lj: (v4v; political sentiments)
carmen_lj ([personal profile] carmen_lj) wrote2009-09-29 09:21 pm

Things I Learned Today:

Rape is okay so long as you are a rich and successful filmmaker.

At least according to the people signing this petition asking for the release of Roman Polanski.

Fucking hell.

The wording of the petition is as disgusting as the sentiment:

His arrest follows an American arrest warrant dating from 1978 against the filmmaker, in a case of morals.

"Case of morals" is the cool new term for rape, I take it. And it's the rape of a thirteen year old girl. So it's irrelevent whether she consented or not (she didn't).

It seems inadmissible to them that an international cultural event, paying homage to one of the greatest contemporary filmmakers, is used by the police to apprehend him.

HOW DARE THOSE SNEAKY POLICE TURN UP TO ARREST HIM SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY KNEW HE'D BE? Next they'll be, like, investigating crimes and searching for evidence and stuff. WHERE WILL THIS MADNESS END?

By their extraterritorial nature, film festivals the world over have always permitted works to be shown and for filmmakers to present them freely and safely, even when certain States opposed this.

Which they can do, as far as I'm aware, it's just that, for some MAD REASON filmmakers are not always above the law. (I mean the history of this case is pretty oh-dear-god, but making out it is a GROSS INJUSTICE when someone is arrested for a crime they've been convicted of and not served the sentence, and then committed several more crimes to escape is A BIT MAD.)

The arrest of Roman Polanski in a neutral country, where he assumed he could travel without hindrance, undermines this tradition: it opens the way for actions of which no-one can know the effects.

Yes, dammit! If you're on the run from the law and you can't be safe in Switzerland, where can you be safe?!

And I think we can guess the effects: if people, even filmmakers, commit a crime, they may actually be arrested, even by the Swiss. HORRORS.

This extradition, if it takes place, will be heavy in consequences and will take away his freedom.

And why will it take away his freedom? OH YEAH, CAUSE HE DONE A RAPE.

Filmmakers, actors, producers and technicians - everyone involved in international filmmaking - want him to know that he has their support and friendship.

I fucking well hope not, or I'll never be able to watch a movie again.

If only in the name of this friendship between our two countries, we demand the immediate release of Roman Polanski.

PS. What is this rule of law of which you speak?

(I'm aware of the victim's desire just to not want to deal with any of this any more, but the criminal law is there to serve justice, not the victim, and however much one sympathises with her, it's hardly in the interests of a just and safe society to turn a blind eye to rapists and bail-jumpers.)
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, that's much less insane.
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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I know, right?
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[personal profile] nonelvis 2009-09-29 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that the arrest is as much symbolic as anything else. But I'm still appalled that this many ostensibly intelligent people can look at this as an irrelevant criminal charge for which Polanski doesn't need to even bother serving the last few weeks of his sentence. How disappointing that they consider being rich, white, famous, and talented valid defenses for rape.

[identity profile] serriadh.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
They make me cross too. I live in Europe and over here it is NOT ok to rape 13 year olds. It's not 'American morals' or whatever.

[identity profile] prof-pangaea.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Alfonso Cuaron

nooooooooooooooooooooooo! dammit.

[identity profile] abates.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still boggled about the whole 30 years thing. I guess he was just really careful about where he traveled.

[identity profile] kismeteve.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
At this point, the only people I'm not disgusted with are Besson, Kevin Smith and Greg Grunberg.
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[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Terry Gilliam!? Now I'm too depressed to sleep.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
That's the only person on the list I had any respect for in the first place. Emphasis on had. Damn.

[identity profile] shobogan.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's not the mindset so much as the expression of it. It still shouldn't, though.

[identity profile] starmalachite.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the people who signed the petition didn't even bother to find out the facts, just signed it in a kneejerk response to The Man oppressing a fellow artiste. Which only adds stupidity & laziness to the offense of signing it.

[identity profile] mhr-kara.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
this whole thing is so surreal........how he had evaded getting arrested/tried for the rape for so long is just........unbelievable.... *shakes head*

[identity profile] melengro.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
My only reaction to that petition is 'well, Milan Kundera, yes, I could have guessed that from torturing myself through The Unbearable Lightness of Being'.

This is my only reaction because it is the only possible reaction that does not involve MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF HORROR AND RAGE.

[identity profile] cameoflage.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 11:15 am (UTC)(link)
This seems very likely. Maybe I'm just not cynical enough, but it really does seem easier to believe that people would put supporting a friend above bothering to find out what their friend's actually in trouble for, rather than being fully aware that Polanski raped a 13-year-old girl, got caught, and fled the country to avoid serving time for it... and still wanting him to be let off the hook because they know him personally/he's a famous directorman.

Personally, I would find it easier to forgive the people who signed it if they were ignorant of the facts and signed out of that sort of severely misplaced attempts at solidarity. Lazy, ignorant stupidity is a lot less damning than thinking celebrities should be above the law and/or being okay with the rape of young girls.
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[identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
in a case of morals.
Worse - my French is v dodgy, so I may be wrong here, but the actual word used is 'mœurs' which I believe connotates something closer to 'mores' or 'manners'.

Like I say, correct me if I'm wrong, but ew.
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[identity profile] londonesque.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
This has all made me so angry, I just need to step away from the internet. I'm so disappointed at how many people I used to respect have signed that petition, it makes me sick.

[identity profile] fallingtowers.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Not quite.

'Moeurs' can also be translated as sexual morals or individual sexual behaviour / attitude towards sex.

'Une affaire de mœurs' is massively icky either way. Unless rape counts as 'just sex' in France...
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[identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I see, thanks. :)

[identity profile] elliptic-eye.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
What really pisses me off about the text of the petition is the blatantly sophistical spin of Polanski as some sort of political refugee, being arrested to be silenced, rather than being arrested for, you know, rape.

...okay, it's one of the things that really pisses me off about it.

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