carmen_lj: (v4v; political sentiments)
carmen_lj ([personal profile] carmen_lj) wrote2009-09-29 09:21 pm

Things I Learned Today:

Rape is okay so long as you are a rich and successful filmmaker.

At least according to the people signing this petition asking for the release of Roman Polanski.

Fucking hell.

The wording of the petition is as disgusting as the sentiment:

His arrest follows an American arrest warrant dating from 1978 against the filmmaker, in a case of morals.

"Case of morals" is the cool new term for rape, I take it. And it's the rape of a thirteen year old girl. So it's irrelevent whether she consented or not (she didn't).

It seems inadmissible to them that an international cultural event, paying homage to one of the greatest contemporary filmmakers, is used by the police to apprehend him.

HOW DARE THOSE SNEAKY POLICE TURN UP TO ARREST HIM SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY KNEW HE'D BE? Next they'll be, like, investigating crimes and searching for evidence and stuff. WHERE WILL THIS MADNESS END?

By their extraterritorial nature, film festivals the world over have always permitted works to be shown and for filmmakers to present them freely and safely, even when certain States opposed this.

Which they can do, as far as I'm aware, it's just that, for some MAD REASON filmmakers are not always above the law. (I mean the history of this case is pretty oh-dear-god, but making out it is a GROSS INJUSTICE when someone is arrested for a crime they've been convicted of and not served the sentence, and then committed several more crimes to escape is A BIT MAD.)

The arrest of Roman Polanski in a neutral country, where he assumed he could travel without hindrance, undermines this tradition: it opens the way for actions of which no-one can know the effects.

Yes, dammit! If you're on the run from the law and you can't be safe in Switzerland, where can you be safe?!

And I think we can guess the effects: if people, even filmmakers, commit a crime, they may actually be arrested, even by the Swiss. HORRORS.

This extradition, if it takes place, will be heavy in consequences and will take away his freedom.

And why will it take away his freedom? OH YEAH, CAUSE HE DONE A RAPE.

Filmmakers, actors, producers and technicians - everyone involved in international filmmaking - want him to know that he has their support and friendship.

I fucking well hope not, or I'll never be able to watch a movie again.

If only in the name of this friendship between our two countries, we demand the immediate release of Roman Polanski.

PS. What is this rule of law of which you speak?

(I'm aware of the victim's desire just to not want to deal with any of this any more, but the criminal law is there to serve justice, not the victim, and however much one sympathises with her, it's hardly in the interests of a just and safe society to turn a blind eye to rapists and bail-jumpers.)
ext_7899: the tenth doctor stands alone (I live in a moral grey area: the OotP)

[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
This international filmmaker says HANG HIM BLOODY HIGH.

[identity profile] danel4d.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Reading the news today is deeply confusing, as if I woke up in some weird parallel universe. I really can't grasp the idea that Hey, it was a long time ago really and he is a famous director, so if he's not above the law won't civilisation crumble?

I don't understand!

[identity profile] davidbrider.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I still have difficulty understanding how he's managed to escape arrest for the past 30 years. It's not, from what I can tell, as if his whereabouts have been a mystery.

But yeah, that petition is just wrong.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I CANNOT BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL SENTENCE. EIGHTY FUCKING DAYS INDEED.

[identity profile] whatho.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
It's just bizarre and horrid and wrong.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, when you are A Real Artist the law is just there to Oppress Your Genius. Justice is for the plebs, man.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Lack of extradition treaties, in part anyway. I know the French didn't have one with the US till the nineties and didn't really start enforcing it till 2002.

Plus he's rich and famous, so, yeah.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot. Yes. Eugh.

[identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I was already horrified, and then I read the list of names.

Pedro Almodovar signed this thing? Tilda Swinton? SALMAN FUCKING RUSHDIE?

(Okay, I get why Rushdie did it; extradition laws kept him safe from the fatwa. But there's using extradition laws to keep someone safe from religious persecution and then there's using them to keep someone safe from being punished for a RAPE. WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE IS ILLEGAL IN FRANCE AND SWITZERLAND, TOO.)

Just...ugh. Fuck 'em all. I like to think rapists should be punished for their crimes, but then I'm only a silly moviegoing proletarian. I couldn't possibly understand.

[identity profile] cosmic.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing that weirds me out about the arrest now is that he's been in Switzerland before, he apparently has a house in Switzerland. So, yes, I do question the timing. In that why the hell he wasn't arrested a gazillion years ago when he was doing a movie or living there if it's a coutry that has an extradition treaty with the US (unlike the bunch of other countries he's spent a lot of time in the past thirty years)?
ext_7899: the tenth doctor stands alone (this shit is bananas: House ducklings zw)

[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
US extradition policy is very...awkward at best and very dependent on the country and how bad one wants the US citizen (much easier and more common to extradite non-US citizens from another country of non-residence). Wiki says US has only had an extradition treaty with France since 1996, but I don't know if there were ones before that.
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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
There's only been an international warrant on Polanski since 2005. Why that didn't stop the French, I don't know.
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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate this shit. Seriously. I hate it and I am stunned anyone in the industry wants to work with this man, much less anyone female. I would attempt to projectile vomit on his shoes if I were asked.

I don't give any shit if he's SORRY, either.

[identity profile] jo-mako.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This! I am getting sick and tired of hearing 'oh poor Polanski!' Dude...fame, and prestige do not get you forgiven from a hideous crime. It just doesn't happen that way.

[identity profile] jo-mako.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately, the French are notorious for not turning anyone over for extradition. =/

[identity profile] cosmic.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Because he's a French citizen and the story I read in the paper said that French law doesn't allow its own citizens to be extradited to another country for trial.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Seeing Terry Gilliam's name there was pretty fucking depressing for me, yeah.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
One time they tried he scarpered. Possibly he is quite good at hiding? And Europe is a bit in love with them and just sort of went lalala? I dunno, but better late than never, I guess.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
If you were actually sorry, one might think you'd want to pay your debt to society and not RUN AWAY TO ESCAPE FORTY MORE DAYS IN JAIL.
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
They guy has a had a fuck of a lot of tragedy in his life, but I'd bet a lot of money that most Holocaust survivors grew up and somehow managed not to become rapists.
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[identity profile] drho.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Those special snowflakes of the film community are surprised that convicted child rapists can be arrested at film festivals for fleeing justice. Wow. I'm sure they all have lawyers, so maybe they should realize that judges have the discretion to reject plea agreements. The judge didn't have to agree that 80 days is sufficient for drugging and raping a child, ffs.

I know the victim says she feels more victimized by the media than Polanski, but that says more about the media's treatment of survivors than it does about the legal system. The media should have left her alone and should never have published her name. Nevertheless, the rapist who fled justice is the only person responsible for delaying closure for 30 plus years.

[identity profile] jo-mako.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah no kidding...
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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I will say this, as noted in my own LJ: really bad things happen in American prisons to convicted child rapists, and there is a lot of blind eye.

But that's not an excuse. He should have thought of it in the first place, the fuckhead.

[identity profile] davidbrider.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
WTF? That's...*ouch*

[identity profile] whatho.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Ew. Had one of those sickening chest-thump things. Feel I should read that list now. Don't much want to.

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