Two is mean too

[carmen_lj]

So I find all this darkness with Ten, hrrm, I don't know. I don't really agree with it. So far it's mostly fanon, and there have only been two stories and even if we do know pretty much where they're going with it... It feels a bit like we're watching series 25/26 Seven and then creating NA!Seven based on that. And telly!Seven is Quite Good Really, while NA!Seven is an utter bastard that I mostly pretend doesn't ever exist.

Actually what I think is that Nine and Ten seem like throwbacks to the earliest Doctors, to Hartnell and Troughton, rather than later years. Oh, there's stuff that's more later!Doctor: Three onwards were generally concerned about their companions first, saving the universe second (random examples: Doctor pretty much willing to sacrifice universe in The Time Monster because he can't bring himself to kill Jo; Doctor gives up all his future!knowledge about the Daleks to Davros to stop him hurting Sarah and Harry in Genesis). But those first two were a wee bit different. And I don't really think there was any real consideration of the Doctor's 'darker' side after Two until Six.

But Hartnell played really a very dark character to begin with, only really caring for Susan and wanting to get away from danger rather than trying to help. And, yes, he mellowed, but really, what about Two? He's a nice chap, isn't he?

He's the nice chap, who in The Evil of the Daleks managed to almost destroy Jamie's trust in him: "Anyone would think it's a little game, and it's not. People have died. The Daleks are all over, fit to murder the lot of us, and all you can say is that you've had a good night's work. Well, I'm telling you this; we're finished. You're just too callous for me. Anything goes by the board, anything at all. You don't give that much for a living soul except yourself. Just whose side are you on?"

He's also the nice chap who, in The Wheel in Space, was willing to sacrifice his companions lives in order to stop the Cybermen. He was the one who declared that he was going to go out and fight those evil things in the universe because it had to be done. So, um, yeah, what I'm saying is the Doctor has always, in some degree had that darkness there, even my beloved Two. It's not really a new thing and just, hmm, it just seems to be all that's being seen at the moment. OMG! HE IS NICE TOO!

Oh, and now Totally Doctor Who is on. There were some lovely cartoon figures at the beginning. Oooh, David Tennant is on it, yay! Though it is doing that thing I no like - there's some sort of 'companion academy' with kids competing to prove they would be The Best Companion, which is, um, fine, I suppose. But add this to "I only take the best" and the Attack of the Graske "prove you're good enough to travel with me" thing and I really, just, no, don't like the message there. THE DOCTOR DOESN'T CHOOSE THE COMPANY HE KEEPS. Hmph.

And while I was looking for the Evil of the Daleks quote, I found this one, which reminded me of why I love Sarah. Cause I do:

The Doctor: Listen, there are no measurements in infinity. You humans have got such limited little minds. I don't know why I like you so much.
Sarah: Because you have such good taste.
The Doctor: That's true. That's very true.

OMG! OMG! Clips of Tooth and Claw and OMG!!! WHY IS IT NOT SATURDAY?

Comments

[snowgrouse.livejournal.com]

I start throwing hissy fits when people insist that any Deep And Dark stuff only happened with Seven... because, WTF, there was Six right before that and he was fucked in the head, and skip a bit further and you have HARTNELL TRYING TO BASH A CAVEMAN'S HEAD IN. *facepalm* It's probably part of the "omg, MY Doctor had it all" thing from the people who grew up with Seven (and maybe one of those more bizarre ways of compensation for his stories being slagged off?), but... *flail* it's been there! Right at the beginning! And yeah, when you think of it, Three was such a massive softie, wasn't he? Hm. Are there any hippie writers on record that didn't write for Three or Five?

And and and argh, Companion Academy is so cruel and wrong. The whole point of being a companion is that the companions are the everywo/man characters and that you, yes, you there watching it, could be whisked away in the TARDIS, too. He really ought to get rubbish companions as stowaways again just so it'll stop being so bloody elitist, harrumph.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Three is an utter pushover compared to everyone else. It is a wonder he was any good at UNIT at all, yes.

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

Three's got the Brigadier to be ruthless for him.

[melata-fic.livejournal.com]

Doctors can't be choosy, else they would have no one. Hmmph.

Good point about dark!Doctors, though. All ofthem have that aspect.

Doctor/Sarah-Jane=OtherOtherOTP.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I am so much more with the Sarah/Ten than I ever was with Four/Sarah. I know not why, hrrm.

[melata-fic.livejournal.com]

Strange, that. I'd have figured it for the other way around.

Sarah/Nine would be good, because she'd heal him better than Rose. :)

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I think it's quite likely she'd also tell him to pull himself together. :)

[melata-fic.livejournal.com]

Hee. :) Good point.

[secretive-bus.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure about the darker Ten either. Somehow the moral authority stuff worked well with the first two Doctors, possibly because they didn't overstate it or really dwell on it. Seeing the second Doctor walk around and shooting Ice Warriors, blowing up the Dominators etc. just seems quaint and natural until you think about it (it's killing people, isn't it?). "There are some corners of the Universe that have bred the most terrible things... they must be fought," sounds better and more convincing than "If you're looking for a higher authority than there is none!" which sounds a bit... y'know.

Still, Tennant's good at mincing. Oh yes.

And, to at least give Trought some context, he was intentionally trying to get Jamie to mistrust him in Evil. Which is still a bit iffy but, y'know. At least he's not an idiot or something. And he did play trains later on. "They're playing a game!!!!!!" Oh blimey yes.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Aye, it's not as bad as it seems in Evil, but still, yes.

And, dude, yes that is exactly right. Two was saying pretty much the same thing and it was arrogant and presumptuous and he gets away with it, and that's nothing to do with the performance of either but the script, I think. Though since they're going for Pride Afore A Fall this season as opposed to Two Can't Be Stopped Unless He Tells His Own People Exactly Where He Is, it might be okay.

[secretive-bus.livejournal.com]

Though wouldn't it be great if the penultimate episode of the new series was a remake of The Space Pirates?

[calapine.livejournal.com]

...

Yes, yes it would.

*guilt*

[londonkds.livejournal.com]

There is, on the other hand, the whole thing with sneakily making sure that the tombs get opened in Tomb of the Cybermen. Still not quite sure what he was actually intending to happen there.

[secretive-bus.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, forgot that. He really was a bit of a bastard in that one, but people forget due to his clowning about, moving chat with Victoria and "I keep my eyes open and my mouth shut."

[--kali--.livejournal.com]

THE DOCTOR DOESN'T CHOOSE THE COMPANY HE KEEPS. Hmph.

*imagines a Pop Idol-style panel consisting of the Doctor, a Dalek and that bubble wrap monster*

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Um, if that was the way companions were chosen I may have to backtrack on my previous statement, yes.

[--kali--.livejournal.com]

I think maybe he should. When Rose buggers off that's what he should do. Save him so much hassle in the long run.

[jomacmouse.livejournal.com]

Actually what I think is that Nine and Ten seem like throwbacks to the earliest Doctors, to Hartnell and Troughton, rather than later years.

I did form the idea that Nine and Ten could have been One and Two of something new (http://jomacmouse.livejournal.com/2006/02/07/"), but bunging Sarah Jane into it put paid to that. Is a pity, really. Think of all the regenerations the fans who are sticking with it, and the new Who fans for that matter, could have had...

[jomacmouse.livejournal.com]

Yargh. Got a brain full of anxiousness about having to look for somewhere else to live, and linked badly. If still interested, go here (http://jomacmouse.livejournal.com/10672.html) instead...

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Ah, ah, I am a bit glad about that. I like his history. Also he did mention working with UNIT in AOL. And, um, RTD said he was Nine, and author intent is clearly like, well, dead, but still, yes.

But, yes, old companions now. Quite.

[jomacmouse.livejournal.com]

Also he did mention working with UNIT in AOL.

I knew there had to be something. But I am Little Miss Slack Who Fan*, who just couldn't watch all of it and so missed vital things like that. Alas, poor theory...

*and I'm not sure how the Mr Men people would draw that, though a scarf has to be involved, doesn't it?

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

I just watched "The Green Death". Three was cock-blocking as if he hoped to make the Gallifrey Olympic cock-blocking squad; in particular, he interrupted Jo and wossname on the verge of kissing and immediately created a pretext to drag wossname out of the room.

To some extent, the Doctor does choose his companions, in a passive-aggressive way: he tossed Tegan out, after all, as he did Adam. You can check in any time you like, but he's going to choose when you leave, and he's already threatened Rose with that *twice*.

You think *you're* waiting for Saturday -- I'm waiting to download *after* Saturday. If I had a TARDIS, I would totally go get the DVD for S2 and bring it home. Because I am not a Time Lord.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Tegan wanted to leave, yes, though he did dematerialise rather quickly.

I can't think of anyone, save Adam, that's he's Actually Properly Got Rid Of Though.

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

Oops. I stand corrected.

Does The Master count as a companion? ::desperate attempt to retrieve credibility::

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Well, he is in Shalka...

[secretive-bus.livejournal.com]

Kamelion. He shot him!

... Oh, OK.

Wait a mo, what are you on about? Susan, the very first one! Locked out of the TARDIS and left stranded on Earth on purpose! "You can grow up with David and learn to appreciate barley."

[paratti.livejournal.com]

Word.

And the way that they've taken Ten hasn't surprised me at all since Nine was so clearly influenced by One in tone. They had to do what the original writers in the 60's did to introduce a new Doctor to an audience many of which hadn't been through a regneration before. Following the Harntell-Toughton template was always the logical choice. Just as I'm sure Torchwood will take a lot from the Unit years of Three.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Does that mean the Master will turn up? *vainly hopes*

[paratti.livejournal.com]

He might well get a largely Earth based antagonist. It's a logical move.

But I think we got a Mistress instead. Cassandra. I'm sure she'll be back at some point.