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So, it's totally Chibnall's fault (and maybe a bit the actors) I don't think 42 is Teh Awesome. Because, really, I should have loved it, but, sadly, the secondary/tertiary characters are some of the most tedious the show's managed in three years. And when it's generally so damn good at them, making them so mind-numbingly uninteresting is somewhat Not Living Up To My Actually Quite Realistic For A Change Expectations.

More importantly, however, I have, after the second watch, had a total epiphany: 42 is actually all about the Doctor's One True Love for Babs Jamie Romana and is filled with moments where he misses her/wishes she was there/can't notice Martha's awesomeness at all.

Here are ten entirely convincing reasons why:


  1. There is a sun in it. Gallifrey totally had a sun. It probably blew up. And falling into the sun is a bit like blowing it up, in that they both kill people who are nearby. Thus totally reminding the Doctor about that time he probably killed Romana along with the rest of his people and his planet.

  2. The sun tries to possess him. Which is a bit like that time Romana got possessed by, um pumpkins...or spiders. Probably spiders. Anyway, that emo at the end? That was totally the Doctor feeling sad abut the fact that Romana was well-good at coping with possession and he was rubbish, yo. He misses her awesomeness like that.

  3. Also, it reminded him of that other time he got possessed. By Zagreus. And when Romana said (and I paraphrase only slightly) "You have to bugger off to this non-universe where time doesn't work right, cause, heh, if you stay, you'll destroy this one. BTW, don't come back. Bye now." Big sacrifice on Romana's part, obv, as Eight was quite good with teh sex, but she's prepared to make that sort of sacrifice to prove their OTP love.

  4. Which, in turn, obviously reminded him of other universes in general and that time Romana said bye-bye now because he'd fought like crazy-mad for his own freedom but was going to happily toss her back to the Time Lords without a word of protest like the bit of a git he was, and only realised later, probably when throwing her room out, what a total prat he'd been about that.

  5. Martha fell a long way. Which was a bit like the Doctor falling off the Pharos Project back when he was Teh Invinicible Tommy B. And his last thought before he regenerated was of Romana (and that's CANON, dude!) so that reminded him of that, and is also partly why he was well emo at the end.

  6. ...I can't have run out already?....Er, because the Captain did a bad sneaky thing, that was a bit like when the Doctor and Romana found out about bad drugs smuggling by another, totally different ship, and he had to hold her hand and skip through a projector thingummie.

  7. That question about The Beatles reminded him of Liverpool, which reminded him of England, which is a really, really small place on the whole universal scale thing. So thinking of Liverpool is just like thinking of Cambridge, and his best memory of Cambridge is that time he went punting with Romana, thus EMO!

  8. Martha being trapped in the escape pod was a bit like that time he was trapped on the TARDIS and Romana had to go solve the plot while he did fuck all for four episodes. So he wasn't seeing Martha at all as it fell away, but thinking about how great it was when he could sit around and let Romana show off and how great she is generally. And that "I save you" was obviously being shouted to Romana as guilt for sort of getting her killed.

  9. Martha totally had hot!chemistry with the dude who doesn't have a name cause the secondary characters were cack and I don't give a toss what it was, which reminded the Doctor of when Romana had hot!chemistry with Duggan when she was meant to be concentrating wholly on him because they were running around Paris falling in love, thank you very much.

  10. Martha wore shoes. Which is a lot like Romana wearing shoes.


Well, I'm convinced. And I know you are too. YES YOU ARE.

Date: 2007-05-23 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
I AM CONVINCED. NO, FOR REAL, BECAUSE I TRULY AM JUST THAT MUCH A BATSHIT DROMANA SHIPPER. (Especially by #3, as I always maintain that Romana found Eight smokin' hot and they screwed like bunnies before it all went south one way or another.) Also, I spent about forty of the forty-two minutes unable to distinguish Captain Lady's husband, the escape pod guy and the other not-bald crew guy from each other and it didn't seem to matter at all.

Date: 2007-05-23 07:26 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - romana smiling)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
THIS IS NOT BATSHIT. IT IS MERELY THE TRUTH. OBVIOUSLY.

Also, totally convinced about the Romana/Eight, and that Leela joined in sometimes too, but still got her own OTP with Romana, yes.

Date: 2007-05-23 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
I'M SERIOUS ABOUT THE DROMANA BATSHIT THING. BATCHIPPERS BACK AWAY FROM ME NERVOUSLY AND SMALL CHILDREN FLEE. BUT AS YOU SAY, IT'S JUST THE DAMNED TRUTH.

"Also, totally convinced about the Romana/Eight, and that Leela joined in sometimes too, but still got her own OTP with Romana, yes."

All of that is really just patently obvious, yaar, especially the last bit. And now I have to go search for some Romana/Eight that I haven't already read and of course I won't find any.

Date: 2007-05-23 08:02 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (romana - time repeating angst)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
TRUTH IS NOT SCARY BUT GOOOOOOD. YES. OBV.

Oh, if only Eight and Romana had their own audio series like I was KIND OF HOPING after Shada II. Boo.

Date: 2007-05-23 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
"Oh, if only Eight and Romana had their own audio series like I was KIND OF HOPING after Shada II."

Me too, dammit. Me too.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:11 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
He didn't take her back at the end. It exists, if only in my head. Ahem.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:27 pm (UTC)
ext_6531: (DW: Storm)
From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com
"Dear Big Finish..."

Date: 2007-05-23 09:31 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
...

Certainly didn't do that.
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Date: 2007-05-23 07:26 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - reinette watches ten)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
NO MOCKING OF THE TRUTH.

Date: 2007-05-23 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiffynamehere.livejournal.com
ALSO! The Doctor was possessed by the sun, and in Egyptian mythology the sun god is Ra, and if you take out the middle letters that's Romana's name. So it's clearly symbolic of how the Doctor's thoughts were possessed by thoughts of Romana!


And you are clearly awesome. So I have friended you. Hope you don't mind.

Date: 2007-05-23 08:04 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - romana lives)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
OMG! ROMANA!POSSESSION! OBV THIS EXPLAIN THE EMO LIKE WOAH!

Dude.

Date: 2007-05-23 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
Um, can I have your icon? I'll walk it and feed it and everything.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:13 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Aye, sure, that's one of mine what I made All By Myself.

Date: 2007-05-23 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiffynamehere.livejournal.com
THE WORLD IS MUCH CLEARER NOW

For serious.

Date: 2007-05-23 07:36 pm (UTC)
gwynnega: (Four/Romana laugh purple_smurf)
From: [personal profile] gwynnega
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!

Date: 2007-05-23 08:04 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - ten and his specs)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
I am totally being helpful here. *nods*

Date: 2007-05-23 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bonniegeorge.livejournal.com
This may well be the case, but The Lazarus Experiment was obviously all about Troughton's propensity for lifting Jamie's kilt.

Date: 2007-05-23 08:06 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - punting)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
I certainly hope so. Except that though they were married, I am quite happy to believe they avoided the whole sex thing. Because it was that Perfect and True and Pure a love.

Date: 2007-05-23 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doyle_sb4.livejournal.com
Nonono, The Lazarus Experiment was about Ace!

- The Doctor causes a science lab to blow up. Ace was all about explosions.
- He wears a tuxedo. Ace drags up in a tux in Ghost Light.
- He takes Martha home but she leaves with him again in the end. Ace visited her home town in Survival.
- Martha's a doctor. Ace and Seven travel with a nurse in the audios - practically the same thing!
- Ace fought with her mum too.

...this could be a fun game.

Date: 2007-05-23 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyvivien.livejournal.com
TRUFAX.

*uses identical icon*

And I STILL haven't sodding well booked tickets for that con Lalla is going to.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:14 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Neither have I, I am rubbish. it has Ian and Susan now and thus is like waving monchrome at me too now

Date: 2007-05-23 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com
THEIRLOVEISSOSPECIAL!

How haven't I overlooked those facts before?

Date: 2007-05-23 09:15 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - ten&rose&vespa like woah)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Because you haven't been WATCHING PROPERLY. Tut. Feel shame, dude.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:30 pm (UTC)
ext_6531: (DW: Romana 2)
From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com
11. "42" is plainly a reference to the work of Douglas Adams, who wrote "City of Death", which is about the Doctor and Romana falling in love while Romana has a last-minute fling with Duggan.

Furthermore, I agree about Eight/Romana, and wish to draw your attention to the bit in "Zagreus" where she says, "I wish you hadn't gotten yourself possessed, because then we could shag" and he answers, "Could we do it in the Panopticon?" and she says, "Dude, the point is that you're still possessed". Trufax.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:35 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - take me time lord)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Oh, that one approaches Actual Logic! Well...sort of. Hurrahs!

Dear gods, some idiot has edited that bit out of my copy. I am, naturally, horrified and shall be writing to BF to complain, yes.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyjax.livejournal.com
Also when the Doctor's in the statis chamber and is being frozen it is obviously a metaphor for how his hearts were frozen when the sun of his life went and, um, exploded, and, Lalla Ward is blond. So. It's like the Doctor had Romana in him which made him scream and writhe and then she got taken out and he was FROZEN OMG.

GOSPEL TRUTH.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:52 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (dw - romana the first)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
That sounds like skience to me! You have proved their love with SKIENCE! Well done. *nods*

Date: 2007-05-23 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyjax.livejournal.com
Doctor/Romana. Law of physics. Totally. The kind of thing that holds reality together.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arefadedaway.livejournal.com
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:54 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Exxxxcellent. *does a Monty Burns*

Date: 2007-05-23 09:52 pm (UTC)
that_mireille: Mireille butterfly (Doctor Who  - insert brain (calapine))
From: [personal profile] that_mireille
You had me from: # There is a sun in it. Gallifrey totally had a sun.

Because that is the kind of logic you just can't argue with.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:56 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
I call it...skience.

Date: 2007-05-23 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ionlylurkhere.livejournal.com
Romana is coming back at the end of Series 3 and I can prove it with Harmonian logic trufax!

In the new series, the Daleks are set up as the equal and opposite force to the Time Lords. So far we have seen three entirely separate sets of Dalek survivors: the foot soldier who somehow didn't die when he was supposed to in "Dalek", the Emperor who managed to cling on, and the Cult of Skaro in their void ship, who survived by cutting themselves off from the universe proper.

But so far the only Time Lord we have seen is the Doctor, who is clearly paralleled with the "Dalek" Dalek (even down to Rose making him more human against his wishes; Romana would never have done that to him ZOMG). This leaves us with the Cult of Skaro, whose Time Lord equivalents are clearly the Celestial Intervention Agency (and I read something on Wikipedia once about them being called the Celestis and cutting themselves off from the rest of the universe in something called Mictlan, which sounds awfully like a Void Ship to me) who I predict will turn up in Series 4. What that leaves us still to find is a Time Lord counterpart for the Emperor Dalek, which of course is the President of the High Council -- who else but Romana!

So you see all the signs point to her coming back at the end of this season. Mr Saxon must be a smokescreen; his strings are being pulled by Romana and that's who the "Last of the Time Lords" is going to turn out to be.

(Also, how dare Mickey and Jake go to Paris at the end of Age of Steel? That's Four and Romana II's city, that is! etc. ad Heat Death of the Universe)

Date: 2007-05-23 09:57 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Dear gods, what that theory may be suggesting is that the spurious suggestion that Saxon is Romana is Not So Spurious After All.

It's all falling into place!

Date: 2007-05-23 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ionlylurkhere.livejournal.com
Really, all we need is that fanon thing about Time Lords changing sex if they regenerate after topping themselves and we're there. And then of course that gives us the whole "you drove me to suicide" emo. 'Cos it was obviously his fault.

Date: 2007-05-23 11:18 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
AU semi-canonical, dude! Not fanon!

Date: 2007-05-23 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiffynamehere.livejournal.com
Just popping in to say: Exile! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_%28Doctor_Who_audio%29) TRU FAX CANON!

And, like, the best thing ever. So go listen to it.

Date: 2007-05-23 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fannishnonsense
Well, I'm convinced anyway. Of course, I'm 2 episodes into Horns of Nimon, so I'm only too well aware of Romana's eternal awesomeness. *loves season 17*

Date: 2007-05-23 11:21 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
Season 17 > EVERRRYTHING.


...

Excpet Troughton, yo.

Date: 2007-05-23 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimwalker.livejournal.com
I AGREE.

In fact, when the Doctor was screaming for Martha, what he REALLY wanted to shout was "Romana? Where are you?" But then he was like, "Oh yeah, I blew her up," I only then changed it to "Martha."

I bet if you slow it down super slowly you'd hear the shift, "RO-MARTHA."

Oddly, "Romartha" also sounds like a pairing name and now I am simultaneously bothered and very intrigued.

Date: 2007-05-23 11:22 pm (UTC)
ext_17485: (Default)
From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
The both have r's m's and a's! It's almost The Same Name!

Date: 2007-05-25 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notfromvenus.livejournal.com
Oh man. Somebody needs to write Romana/Martha RIGHT NOW. New ship! :D

Date: 2007-05-24 08:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fly-to-dawn.livejournal.com
I love it when people speak the obvious truth.

Date: 2007-05-24 07:12 pm (UTC)
owl: Stylized barn owl (d/m kiss)
From: [personal profile] owl
TRU FAX!

Martha wore shoes. Which is a lot like Romana wearing shoes.

It is PROOF!!

Date: 2007-06-01 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oltha_heri.livejournal.com
I love you. This is brilliant and lovely. AND SO TRUE.

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