carmen_lj: (v4v; political sentiments)
carmen_lj ([personal profile] carmen_lj) wrote2009-09-29 09:21 pm

Things I Learned Today:

Rape is okay so long as you are a rich and successful filmmaker.

At least according to the people signing this petition asking for the release of Roman Polanski.

Fucking hell.

The wording of the petition is as disgusting as the sentiment:

His arrest follows an American arrest warrant dating from 1978 against the filmmaker, in a case of morals.

"Case of morals" is the cool new term for rape, I take it. And it's the rape of a thirteen year old girl. So it's irrelevent whether she consented or not (she didn't).

It seems inadmissible to them that an international cultural event, paying homage to one of the greatest contemporary filmmakers, is used by the police to apprehend him.

HOW DARE THOSE SNEAKY POLICE TURN UP TO ARREST HIM SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY KNEW HE'D BE? Next they'll be, like, investigating crimes and searching for evidence and stuff. WHERE WILL THIS MADNESS END?

By their extraterritorial nature, film festivals the world over have always permitted works to be shown and for filmmakers to present them freely and safely, even when certain States opposed this.

Which they can do, as far as I'm aware, it's just that, for some MAD REASON filmmakers are not always above the law. (I mean the history of this case is pretty oh-dear-god, but making out it is a GROSS INJUSTICE when someone is arrested for a crime they've been convicted of and not served the sentence, and then committed several more crimes to escape is A BIT MAD.)

The arrest of Roman Polanski in a neutral country, where he assumed he could travel without hindrance, undermines this tradition: it opens the way for actions of which no-one can know the effects.

Yes, dammit! If you're on the run from the law and you can't be safe in Switzerland, where can you be safe?!

And I think we can guess the effects: if people, even filmmakers, commit a crime, they may actually be arrested, even by the Swiss. HORRORS.

This extradition, if it takes place, will be heavy in consequences and will take away his freedom.

And why will it take away his freedom? OH YEAH, CAUSE HE DONE A RAPE.

Filmmakers, actors, producers and technicians - everyone involved in international filmmaking - want him to know that he has their support and friendship.

I fucking well hope not, or I'll never be able to watch a movie again.

If only in the name of this friendship between our two countries, we demand the immediate release of Roman Polanski.

PS. What is this rule of law of which you speak?

(I'm aware of the victim's desire just to not want to deal with any of this any more, but the criminal law is there to serve justice, not the victim, and however much one sympathises with her, it's hardly in the interests of a just and safe society to turn a blind eye to rapists and bail-jumpers.)
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[identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Seeing Terry Gilliam's name there was pretty fucking depressing for me, yeah.

[identity profile] davidbrider.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
WTF? That's...*ouch*

[identity profile] whatho.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Ew. Had one of those sickening chest-thump things. Feel I should read that list now. Don't much want to.

[identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
So many people I just lost respect for, all at once. I forget who it was on ONTD that said it, but the faceless rape apologists are bad enough; now there are faces, so many faces, telling us that raping a 13-year-old girl multiple times is okay if you're famous and really, really sorry about it.

[identity profile] fallingtowers.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. This.

For some reason, it's even worse for me to see the names of quite a few actresses and female writers on that list. I know that rape apologists come in all guises and genders, but seeing Swinton and Huppert and Reza and Adjani on there fucking hurts.

[identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
And so many of them have spoken out about other issues too! Including feminism and gender in Hollywood! IT'S NOT VERY FEMINIST TO EXCUSE CHILD RAPE, PEOPLE.

The only thing about this debacle that doesn't make me want to quit humanity is that I have a newfound love for Greg Grunberg.

[identity profile] fallingtowers.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
IT'S NOT VERY FEMINIST TO EXCUSE CHILD RAPE, PEOPLE.

O RLY? YOU DON'T SAY SO. THOSE EV0L FEMINISTS WILL ASK PPL TO RECONSIDER THEIR RAPE CULTURE NEXT. /snerk

*hearts Greg Grunberg too*



[identity profile] stunt-muppet.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
NO, NO, THAT'D BE THOSE EVIL MORALIZING PURITANICAL AMERICANS DOING THAT. WE ARE FAR TOO FEMINIST AND LIBERATED HERE FOR THAT. FORCING SEX ON 13-YEAR-OLD GIRLS IS HOW WE FREE THEM FROM AMERICA'S STUPID SEXPHOBIC CULTURE.

(I have to admit that bit galled me too. There are a whole lot of things wrong with my country, but child rape being a crime really isn't one of them. Now the fact that a child rapist can plead to unlawful sex with a minor and get 80 days in jail instead of rotting in prison for the rest of his scumbag life, on the other hand...)

[identity profile] fallingtowers.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to admit that bit galled me too.

Good God, yes. Usually, I must admit, I am among the first sarcastic Old Europeans gleefully mocking "puritanism" across the pond, but there's a time and place for that. This? Is really, really, really not it.

There's being okay with, I dunno, nudists sunbathing in public parks and defending child rape. Subtle differences that seem to easily elude lots of people who should know better.

I also resent the implications that his extradition was somehow illegal, as if sinister CIA minions had kidnapped him at gunpoint. As far as I as a layperson see it, the US authorities didn't overstep their legal bounds here.

[identity profile] serriadh.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
They make me cross too. I live in Europe and over here it is NOT ok to rape 13 year olds. It's not 'American morals' or whatever.
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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
And apparently Lynch and Allen and Scorsese. As a big fan of the latter...I am appalled.

[identity profile] fallingtowers.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yeah, there are also enough male directors and screenwriters I love and have just caught with their metaphorical trousers down: Wong Kar-Wai, Steven Soderbergh, Sam Mendes...

Woody Allen, though, seems like an obvious punchline for a sick joke in that context.
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[identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I know, right?

[identity profile] sabra-n.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Pedro Almodovar, Wong Kar-wai, Alfonso Cuaron, Alexander Payne, Steven Soderbergh, Mike Nichols. I don't have enough venom to spend on all the people on that list, but man, I really respected those guys. And freaking Scorsese! What the hell is wrong with these people?

[identity profile] prof-pangaea.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Alfonso Cuaron

nooooooooooooooooooooooo! dammit.
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[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Terry Gilliam!? Now I'm too depressed to sleep.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
That's the only person on the list I had any respect for in the first place. Emphasis on had. Damn.