I need another fandom really...

[carmen_lj]

BBC you are forgiven! Monk is BACK! Yo! JOYOUS!

In other news I find the whole Ten/Rose versus Nine/Rose strangely perplexing. This is my own fault for being born far too late to have a proper Doctor all of my very own - and having The Five Doctors be the first story I ever saw, making self very, very confused - thus forcing self to adopt a Doctor that was around twenty years before I was born. Because of his incredibly confusing hotness! See how I no longer have to strike that out? That's proper acceptance right there. No denial for me, oh noes. Or, really, it is because he is fabulous and brilliant and there's this bit in The Space Pirates where Jamie and Zoe are unconscious and he wakes up and he calls "Jamie!" and reaches over Zoe to check that he's alive thus proving their love forever.

Or at least until everyone starts with the Two/Romana which would be great. Yes.

But, yes, it's different, it's changed, the dynamic thing between the Doctor and Rose. And much as I rather liked it between Nine and Rose, it was, to me, the sort of thing that definitely had a sort of use-by date on it. Because he was broken and needy and a bit obsessed by Rose and that's all fine and well and makes for good telly for a bit, and, yes, they could maybe have got another year out of it but if it went on any longer, just, no, I don't think that would have done anything except make people throw things. And Nine was a bit broken, and Time Lords get fixed by regenerating.

And everyone - not actually everyone, but it does seem to be that most unreliable and terrifying of things: Fandom Opinion - is that Sarah was fine with Three, but was great with Four. Though how much of that is Actual Greatness and how much is that crazed love for the Hinchcliffe era, I have no idea. I loved her most when she was with Harry. Because that's my TARDIS team: Four, Sarah and Harry, they could win against anything. Also, they started the Time War, yay. Course, she is now going to be canon with Ten too. And they will go off together to have crazy adventures. Is it just me that loves the fact they are not just confirming Old Skool canon here, but Old Skool spin-off canon? Again, admittedly, after 1983, but still, me likes that lots.

There was a point, there was. Something about dynamics. And fixing people being Quite Good Really. And different dynamics. Being a good thing too. I really want Jack back so much, because I loved that dynamic. With the three of them. That's the sort of number I like to see aboard the TARDIS, three. Good number that. Sacred, according to the Minbari anyway, and I'm sure they knew what they were talking about.

Oh, yes, and the whole absence of any sort of actual feeling I have about regeneration. Cried like a Roman during Parting of the Ways, but the actual regeneration thing was great. Shiny. Lots better than having Sylvestor dress up like Colin, cause, dude, that was a bit messed up.

Really what I'm saying is that it all went downhill once we started getting colour television.

Or, no, I remember now. I seem to be somewhat shallower than I expected and feel a lot more comfortable with Ten/Rose than Nine/Rose, and not just because Godlike Arrogance seems a tad less messed up than guilt/post traumatic stress disorder/having some issues with genocide, again. But, no, it's because of the age difference in actors. Which has nothing to do with the fictional universe and just, hrrm, I don't like the fact that I seem to have that issue. Tut.

But the whole shipper vs. shipper thing is a tad bizarre, though I'm still ridiculously delighted by the knock-on effect to the old series that all the shipping in the new has had. So while I may think of it all as a wee bit silly, I would totally be arguing for Two/Romana over Six/Romana and really that's pretty much the same thing.

Incidentally, was it really that obvious there were Tennant fangirls at that Ready, Steady, Cook? I admit nothing, just askin' is all. Also every time someone refers to it as RSC, I think Royal Shakespeare Company and just, bad acronym, bad. Yes.

I've had a cup of coffee. This was clearly An Error at this time of night. Should investigate how long it takes caffeininineieie to get out of my precious blood, yarg.

Comments

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I think so too. I certainly don't think anyone gave Mr Tennant any advice on what to do with his butter either.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

But he did give me the shiny carrier bag! All is forgiven! even if he suggested I cheated cause of being SCOTTISH, RAR

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

Cried like a Roman ...

What a great simile.

And, no. You do not need another fandom -- necessarily.

Who is my only fandom,* and this is enough for me. I think if I got into any more fandoms, the arguments would make me sad.

But YMMV. natch.

*unless you count Shakespeare... Does Shakespeare count? Is there a WS fandom out there?

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I try other fandoms sometimes. But they tend to be very quiet or very small. This makes me sad.

Shakespeare surely has a fandom, yes. I bet it is dead scary.

[alawston.livejournal.com]

Falstaff/Hal shippers probably hate all those bloody Hamlet/Laertes shippers and everyone gangs up on the Macduff/Malcolm slashfics...

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Poor wee Scottish characters. :(

[gwynnega]

I think you should write some Two/Romana! I do think Six/Romana might contain too much haughtiness for one pairing, but Seven/Romana could be quite interesting. Then again I always thought Nine/Romana would be the hotness. (I.e. "I thought you were DEAD!!!", followed by Nine locking himself in a room with Romana for the next two weeks, while Rose frets jealously and Captain Jack smirks and speculates and watches on the TARDIS-cam...)

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I have been trying to write Two/Romana for some time now. It is Not Working Very Well. Rah.

Someone should write that Nine plot though. Yus.

[gwynnega]

I bet Romana would find Two adorable (though they would vie for the position of Most Intelligent One, sort of the way Two and Zoe did at times).

Someone should write the Nine plot, but not me, because when I tried, Nine and Romana cried a lot (in between bouts of sex) because of being OMG Alone in the Universe etc. (But Captain Jack was pleased. But Rose was not.)

[calapine.livejournal.com]

See, that would be A Beautiful Fic. With perhaps less crying. And more sex, yay!

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

I see potential for Six/Romana, but that's mostly because of "The Apocalypse Element", which made me flail madly and wish he'd give her the hugs she so obviously needed. Instead of abandoning her on Gallifrey with her trauma while he and Evelyn run off to continue being cute.

*mutters darkly under breath*

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Curse em for having Apocryphia canon, hrrm. *clings to Two/Romana*

But the Doctor's all about the running away, yes. Evelyn was irritatingly cheerful about the whole invasion, IIRC. And I normally think she's smashing.

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

I've only met Evelyn there, but yes, likable as she seemed, she appeared to regard the invasion as an opportunity for really bad jokes.

On the other hand, I mostly saw it as a catalyst for blatant hurt/comfort, so maybe I can't talk.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I want Romana/Six now. This is all your fault. I shall not forget, rar.

[lizbee.livejournal.com]

Let me finish the Long and Surprisingly Plotty Romana Fic, and then I'll give it some thought.

In the meantime, I might even stir myself and actually watch Six episodes. Seeing as how I haven't seen him in action since I was a small child.

[gwynnega]

::adds another request for Six/Romana fic:: :-)

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Rar! Result-ness!

[lilly-rose.livejournal.com]

I would have liked just one more season of Nine/Rose, simply because the intensity of it all appealed to me. There was an immediacy to it, a certain fire that would burn itself out quickly but would be fun to watch burn.

Ten/Rose? Doesn't do anything for me. I just don't see it. At least not yet.

Knock on effect? Am confused. Do you mean all the mad squeeing/shipping generated by the New Skool is having a retrograde effect on the Old? If so, I totally agree. It happened to me. I came in with Nine/Rose...and then went full on fan girl crazy for Five/Tegan. (And the Davison Era altogether, really) I'm sure it's amusing as all hell for some open minded "older" fans. ;)

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Yes! Exactly that with the knock on thing. And most especially some of the new fen coming in liking the new, discovering the old and not having any of the problems some old fen may have had involving being somewhat conditioned to think of the Doctor as asexal and having to get over that first, yes.

[lilly-rose.livejournal.com]

The conditioning, to think of the Doctor as almost asexual. As I've seen it, and I may be wrong, that seems to be almost...quasi-canonical? Like the writers did their best to go "Nope! None of that now!" And then it just got away from them at times. In specific? Four/Romana II- awesome characters meets real life bleeding through. Five/Tegan, great chemistry between actors/characters meets the fact that Peter Davison just can't seem to stop touching Janet Fielding? (And who the heck can *blame him*, my shallow side says)

But to me...sex isn't the issue to be fan phobic about. When it comes down to it, sex is simplistic. It's a basic drive, nothing more nothing less. I think he *could* approach it with that in mind. It's when silly human beings put *emotion* behind it that I can see it being a problem for him.

And yes, I know I make no sense. *laughs*

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Aye, but writers' intentions never seemed to matter so much in other fandoms as this one. I blame BOYPEOPLE.

[that_mireille]

And John Nathan-Turner announcing "NO HANKY-PANKY IN THE TARDIS!" (Me: "...could they get a hotel room, then?")

[grapefruitzzz.livejournal.com]

Good post. Loved Two in 'The Five Doctors' and ever before-and-since. It's also true that two makes for a weird Tardis. Even without the sex stuff, it's too much of an intense relationship. I miss the Fiveish days of a whole boatload of moaning passengers. It saves any one assistant from becoming too perfect.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I miss the good old days when Ian&Babs were the heroes and the Doctor was a callous old git. :(

[drox.livejournal.com]

Four, Sarah and Harry, they could win against anything. Also, they started the Time War, yay.

Yes they did! Am so glad I'm not the only person who thinks so!

[calapine.livejournal.com]

I hope Ten mentions that to her. Yes.

[pextheunalive.livejournal.com]

*pouts because, being stupid American, is unable to watch Tennant on Ready Steady Cook...* :(

[calapine.livejournal.com]

If you, um, look about at certain comms, it as, ah, available.

Not that you want to watch it, no. Bad telly. Bad audience.

[pextheunalive.livejournal.com]

Must track down these comms then. I wanna see Tennant cook like magic! :D

[pextheunalive.livejournal.com]

Actually, on reflection, I think I just want Tennant to make me a sammich...I'm kinda hungry. :)

[purple-smurf.livejournal.com]

Or at least until everyone starts with the Two/Romana which would be great. Yes.

OMG *wants*

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Write it! Rar!

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

Two/Romana feels wrong somehow. I'm not entirely sure he's legal. Except with Jamie. Also, Zoe is older than she looks. I hope. But Two and Romana where they have tea and scones, that could work.

I want to write a story where Rose has a baaaaaby.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

You have written a story where Rose has a baby. It was great. Yes.

Two/Romana WILL WORK, DAMMIT. Though I think it might be a lot easier if there were scones invoved somehow, hmm.

[cesario.livejournal.com]

Lots better than having Sylvestor dress up like Colin, cause, dude, that was a bit messed up.

For realz. Not quite as messed up as having to look at Seven in Six's clothes though. *shuddertwitch*

[calapine.livejournal.com]

He was drowned a bit, yes.

[juliejordan.livejournal.com]

I enjoy shipping both Nine/Rose and Ten/Rose, though I do think I lean towards Ten/Rose just a little bit more now. And David and Billie just look so damn GOOD together, and natural and like they've been an onscreen team for YEARS - and after just two episodes! I heart them, I really do.

Is it Saturday yet?

[calapine.livejournal.com]

It is not. Tis deeply distressing.

[sallymn.livejournal.com]

Harry is wonderful. I never appreciated him enough the first time rough (mumbledy) years ago, but when the ABC ran the whole series again, I fell hard for Harry :)

[calapine.livejournal.com]

He is the most wonderful, wonderful character. Also he saves the Doctor lots. And is a surgeon and people forget these things and only see vague bumbling and that is Just Not On.

[padawanpooh.livejournal.com]

*hugs Who fandom*

I love this fandom. We have soooo many lovely combinations to choose from...

And we can go invent more!

*goes off humming happily*

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Yus! Choices! And so many bits that are all shiny and unknown for no-one has really written them even after forty odd years, tut and forshame.

[mahala.livejournal.com]

And Nine was a bit broken, and Time Lords get fixed by regenerating.

This is true. I hope it's not *completely* true, though.

Nine was busted up pretty badly, and you are so right in saying that one season of that is all the viewers could stomach, even CE fans like myself (tho being so very Old Skool, I'm still in denial about the whole shippy thing. Doesn't stop me from reading the pr0n smut).

But it would be very nice if the writers could let Ten go on his godly path for a while, then eventually have to explain the Time War (hello? the viewer's haven't forgotten) and *really* deal with it, in a better way than burying himself in Rose (I said that, didn't I? Ack. Blame the smut.)

And yes, three is the better dynamic. Look how much the show took off when Jack joined? Dramatically speaking, two can get very dull when all is said and done. Three allows for better pr0n tension.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

The thing about the Time War is that I don't think any on-screen exploration of it could possibly live up to expectations. I like the idea that he's mostly dealt with it, though having him encounter s'more consequences of said war and seeing how he would react would be rather nice. Or I just want other shiny Time Lords. Cause I'm rubbish like that.

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

I would like the naming of Gallifrey and to, umm, know what exactly it was that he lost. *flails*

[melata-fic.livejournal.com]

Ten/Rose/Jack won't have the same dynamic, as Ten is different and more about the girl love.

Two/Romana and Six/Romana are equally as brilliant. Mind you, which Romana are we talking about, here?

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Yes, but the Dynamic of Three is really the thing that I love. Different will be good and even sluttier, hurrah!

All the Romanas! Um...I quite like Two and Romana II...

[melata-fic.livejournal.com]

Not sure if the OT3 dynamic will work now that Doctor is so clearly het. :( Possibly why Jack is not back until Series 3.

Hee! Yes. All Doctors /and/ all Romanas. It is like an equation. :D That, or a ficathon masterlist.